Re: Black list of false or questionable comrades

[Maksim Chuikov]

You've typed goodbye a couple of times now, are you after attention?

In any case, read what I wrote: you have no evidence to back up your "story". In a court it would be ignored seeing as you have no evidence backing it.

- M. Chuikov

[Celio Azevedo]

Yes, I typed goodbye many times already here. But as many dumbs continues this story. I try to answer as possible. But I don´t have time for childs more. I don´t see real arguments here, just personal attacks. When the right-wing lose the arguments they killed me in erepublik. I am victorious and my erepublik death is the prove.

Goodbye.

Celio Azevedo.

[Fredrick Engels]

Yes, I typed goodbye many times already here. But as many dumbs continues this story. I try to answer as possible. But I don´t have time for childs more.

Goodbye.

Celio Azevedo.

Aren't you banned from eRepublik? Why would you come back over and over again to an online forum for eRepublik socialist parties to counter our arguments against you when you have said many times you're done with eRepublik, done with the Internationale, why do you care so much to come back and do this when you're banned from the community that is eRepublik and are supposedly busy? It shows how much of a ego maniac you really are. You have no business here, please GTFO. Can't we just kick Celio off of these forums, I don't mean to sound authoritarian or want to get into the mess that is trying to censor people, but he can't go back to eRepublik(If he does it won't be under the name Celio Azevedo), these forums are for eRepublik, and all he does is spam the forums which he shouldn't be able to participate in anyways because he does not belong to the eRepublik community anymore, so he can't even objectively make a difference in eRepublik unless it's through someone else. All he's doing is being a nuisance to a place he doesn't belong to.

[fernandamacedo_NKCP]

I have to say that I got banned from erepublik too with lies. I hate these liars and I promisse revenge against all them. I support the comrade Celio Azevedo.


FernandaMacedo.

[Maksim Chuikov]

Excellent point, comrade Engels. I'm curious if this NKCP guy is an alt of Celio, could someone compare the IPs?

In any case, the points lifted forward by Engels are valid points. This isn't a discussion forum where you discuss how fascist anyone who's against your authoritarian politics, it's completely irrelevant. You're the one who's spitting personal attacks against us which hold absolutely no ground. Fascists? Right-wing? "Fake" Communists?

You've founded two parties. Instead of joining the NKWP you created the NKCP, which split the movement in eNorth Korea in two movements. You're the first so-called "communist" who split a movement in an e-country, that I give you. You conspired to split the international movement by creating your own Internationale (which I believe everyone except you and your fanatical supporters agree with). Your actions in eBrazil have lead to a split in the party (again), your supporters which support you as the holy leader against the more decentralized members of the party who oppose you. Now you blame them for being right-wing associates and revisionists. Do you realize nothing you've said so far holds no ground. You keep telling us things which have no evidence either, only you know what "really" happened versus multiple witnesses who say otherwise.

- M. Chuikov

[Celio Azevedo]

Yes. Compare the IPs.

LOL

[crlsgms]

A new foundation rises, and seems like mr. egomaniac gots his back also insulting brasilian people in general.

this org gots your name... why all this rumble about you, since you cleary said to be done with the game?

celio azevedo foundation

and why this newspaper keep answering as you? your grammar its like a signature now, that almost 3 articles a day comes up with your name in it.

you already have the opportunity to play along with us, but as you look like playing against us at the game, and against the internationale.

If you keep saying goodbye and aren`t leaving for lack of goodbyes from us, here its mine.

GOODBYE, GTFO

[Brian Boru]

I feel that I need to clarify the Mannimarco-Ireland situation.

I launched a communist revolution on September 6th in the Republic of Ireland.
It was pretty much a joke, as I thought I was going to have to quit eRepublik, but it was also a key theoretical test.

It is clear that a direct seizure of power in Ireland is completely ineffective in producing a socialist state there.
The people did not react well to the news, as a subversion of democracy. The conditions simply do not exist in Ireland for direct revolution.

As for the party that was "destroyed" by that revolution, I need to point out several facts.
Firstly, the party wasn't destroyed at all. It has held consecutive positions in the Cabinet, including the position of Minister for Finance.

Secondly, that party was only a communist party under my tenure as a dominant figure within it.
That party never advocated communism as a means or an end, except when I was its Presidential candidate, and even then, my hands were tied.

Mannimarco's role in the revolution was almost non-existent.
All he did was take the seized state companies, via an org we both had access to, after I had started to return things.

[Mannimarco]

I feel that I need to clarify the Mannimarco-Ireland situation.

I launched a communist revolution on September 6th in the Republic of Ireland.
It was pretty much a joke, as I thought I was going to have to quit eRepublik, but it was also a key theoretical test.

It is clear that a direct seizure of power in Ireland is completely ineffective in producing a socialist state there.
The people did not react well to the news, as a subversion of democracy. The conditions simply do not exist in Ireland for direct revolution.

As for the party that was "destroyed" by that revolution, I need to point out several facts.
Firstly, the party wasn't destroyed at all. It has held consecutive positions in the Cabinet, including the position of Minister for Finance.

Secondly, that party was only a communist party under my tenure as a dominant figure within it.
That party never advocated communism as a means or an end, except when I was its Presidential candidate, and even then, my hands were tied.

Mannimarco's role in the revolution was almost non-existent.
All he did was take the seized state companies, via an org we both had access to, after I had started to return things.

Stop ruining my legacy brian!

[johnobrow]

I can confirm that Brian speaks the truth.

[Maksim Chuikov]

Excellent, that's one point away from the list in that case. Now we have the issue of eSlovakia, which has never been officially declared resolved no matter how many times we've discussed it.

Perhaps I should call people from the Slovakian Socialist party here to testify on Mannimarco's censorship, centralization of power and failure to follow democratic procedures? He's another person whom should be removed from the international arena.

- M. Chuikov

[Ruaidhrí Garvey]

We held a trial on our forum.He was found guilty on most charges and ordered to pay back 125 gold to the SSP

http://eslovakia.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=219&mforum=eslovakia

[Ruaidhrí Garvey]

Here are the main bits of the trial

Oct08 Day688 Case 0001.08

the accused: Mannimarco / Paulie Walnuts
prosecution owners: the state of former Socialist Republic of Ireland and the NT Communes (Northern Territory Communes in Australia)
Prosecutor: Dr.Skin

counts: robbery, aggrivated theft, corruption, bribing and voilating the eRepublik law 5.1


I would first like to say that the crimes committed is first committed by Mannimarco from the beginning. When the Socialist Republic of Ireland was raised, Mannimarco ruined because of that he was greatly involved in the process of the Socialist Republic, but when he realized about all the gold and money he could get if he stole the state founded communes, that come to prevail for his personal gainings over the welfare of the masses. He was then kicked out of Ireland and went to the UK where he´s not welcome either. In the UK, his account were hacked and he started to play with the account Paulie Walnuts, which he first claimed was his brother, he told me, and later he wrote it was his friends. It might as well been his own from the beginning.

During his time as Paulie Walnuts, he intrigued in the Slovak Socialist Party and he wanted his real identity to be secret, still he acted like Mannimarco, powerhungry, dictatorlike and childish. When the new communes in Australia were opened he tried to bribe ludovit8 with 30 gold and ludovit8 gave the password to Paulie Walnuts without taking the offer in gold, but he thought that he helped the Slovak Socialist Party by supporting Paulie Walnuts.
NT Communes had a worth of 125 gold, the organization cost of 5 gold and 120 gold in the organization.

Since the eRepublik admins haven´t banned Mannimarco for using two accounts, that will be included in the sentence.

Called Judgments group:
Smrtan
Sandra Mack
Tilda Basmati
Gabberattack
CZ-Zidane

I want Mannimarco/Paulie Walnuts to pay damages for the communes.
250 gold to the SCP organization and 250 to the Slovak state.
I also want him to be expelled and banned for life to come back to Slovakia.

Mr.Skin/Dr.Skin Reading the charges

You have a number of facts wrong, and I found your post at it's base full of bais, lies and ignorance. I'll correct some of your mistakes.

1. Brian and me agreed that a socialist revolution would be a good idea. Brian had the password to the state companies(They were not communes, as you so ingorantly claimed, but fascist like nationalized companies), he took the gold and money, for the sake of funding the revolution, he gave me the state run companies to me, I had the intent of making them communes.

2. Things went wrong, Brian betrayed the revolution, and returned the gold. I held onto the communes-to-be, but my account was hacked and they were taken by the capitalist government. The original 3 communes I had before the revolution were also stolen, my gold robbed, and my account closed down.

3. I took my brothers account, and immediatly MSN'd you and told you I was Mannimarco, why didn't you tell anyone straight away?

4. If you'd look through my posts, you'd see I was anything but the things Mr.Skin stated. I was civil, and ran for party President with an established platform.

5. There's no evidence I stole the communes, apart from a letter displayed by ludovit8. The letter is quite clearly photoshop, the font is blurry, and appear to have been writen out of place, the picture seems slightly out of place also. I believe it was a photoshop created by either Mr.Skin or Ludovit8.

To close, many of Mr.Skin's statements are false, ignorant, etc. I believe I am the subject of a witch hunt, I have stepped on some of the toes of the communist elite, and now that they see I'm back, They've taken the oppurtunity to frame me.

This may seem a bit of far-fetched, but not any more far-fetched then the ridiculous accusations.

To Mr.Skin's demands of punishment:

A. I can't give you 250 gold, as I don't have it. I didn't rob the bank, and thus, my entire fortune consists of 81 IEP and 5 gold.

B. I've already left Slovakia. I found it very stressful, and when I get stressed, I have splitting migraines. Which I think I should avoid. I'm just lingering around to clear my name. I'm currently in Hungary, which is a calm environment with good wages.

P.S: How are you representing the socialist state of Ireland? Did they give you permisson to represent them?

Manni defends himself

Haha thats really great manni.

This is what really happened. You convinced Brian to have a "revolution" since he was leaving, or maybe he convinced you who knows. You told me about it and I didnt agree with it. You changed the password to my org with our communes in it and moved them to a different org along with the money. Then you and brian got on the Irish Bank org and took gold and the state companies which were the closest thing we had to state socialism that me, kiemar and theus had worked on for months to get in place. Then an Irish citizen hacked you account and got back the companies and gold and changed your password. Just dont get to mad about ruining the chances of socialism in Ireland and getting owned.

GarretDa,one of our Comrades giving his side of the story regarding the dissaperance of Irish Communes

Garvey, you can move money out of an organisation without it appearing in the donations list by using the money market.

Paulie did ask me for the password to the Slovakian communes. I thought that there was something fishy going on, and so I didn't give it to him.

So we figured out that two people were asked for the password (Sandra and Ludovit), first one refused, the second one did not. I am still going to operate with a hypothesis of hacked account until Paulie states that it was not possible. I am missing some history how his previous account was hacked by Irish government or whoever they were, but from the information here I assume it is possible to do it - either by using a bruteforce or remote access to computer/virus (if Paulie has Windows machine). Have you Sandra noticed something strange in that request? Any broken English, name spelled wrong or anything else? How did you react? Have you spoken with Skin about it?

Sandra Mack telling how Manni tried to birbe her and Gabberattack giving his opinion

5. There's no evidence I stole the communes, apart from a letter displayed by ludovit8. The letter is quite clearly photoshop, the font is blurry, and appear to have been writen out of place, the picture seems slightly out of place also. I believe it was a photoshop created by either Mr.Skin or Ludovit8.

Sorry, that I am not professional. I did just this:
1. key PRTSCR
2. paste paintbrush
3. cut borders
4. upload to sklad.obrazku.cz
5. published

(If I use photoshop that PM can be better, but I am not professional, but this is ridiculous that you deny that PM !! )

B. I've already left Slovakia. I found it very stressful, and when I get stressed, I have splitting migraines. Which I think I should avoid. I'm just lingering around to clear my name. I'm currently in Hungary, which is a calm environment with good wages.

Everybody know that there are a lot of ways how to hide the money, I think that he just use MM. I am just very disappointed that you are using that money for your own purposes and not for communes. You could set up your own commune and try to beat Mr. Skin in election, but you just use that money for your personal purpose and that is more that ugly :-/.

Would I spell my own name wrong?

What about strategy ?? If you wrote this to Mr. Skin, you must know that he will publish it !! So this is maybe your ill strategy :-/, make some type mistakes to say "my account was hacked again". I know what you was writing to my and I was surprised of some facts too.



I will came here again, but I am quite busy now , later please.

Ludovit8,the guy who Manni supposidly tricked inyto giving him the password

I haven't so much time now, but I can not read this :-/



PW, you can delete your send messages, but I will have them too !!!

(I hope I will look at this court during weekend, but if not I will be back at Monday.)

Ludovit8 showing picture of the message he received

Hey Guys, GarrettDA just logged onto the Mannimarco account he hacked, let's all clap for him.

And no, someone couldn't have hacked paulie, since there's no mail sent to ludovit in my sent box.

The question is - did you ask Sandra to give you password yourself or someone else did it for you?

Yeah, I asked her after I became Commissar of Welfare, as I wanted to deliver gifts to the workers.

Also, Ludovit has just lied. If all of you check your sent boxes, you'll see that you cannot delete sent messages. The persecution doesn't seem to believe in honesty.

Manni Defending Himself

I think this lawsuit is going the wrong way. I would like to close this case before party election day, because it can affect whole future of our country. From my point of view I see 2 opposite things happening:

1. Paulie did not know (or pretended not to know) how email sending/receiving works so all his statements about the messages can be considered completely off topic including the statements about photoshop & all others, because he proved not to be aware of even basic eRepublik mechanisms. I find defendant to use unsupported accusations against 2 other eCitizens (ludovit8 & Skin, possibly accusing them of cooperation against him) instead of providing any proof or motive supporting his point of view. So far there was nothing new showed by Paulie, as speaking of possible motives besides "some highly positioned commies" without more specifications - argument "THEY" is not acceptable.
Therefore I have to repeat the question again: "Are you sure nobody else has or had access to your current account?" If not, there is not much options left for you, just pay the damage to SCP. I think our government will be fine without our part of the damage claim requested by Skin. In current RL money you need about 100 Euros to pay SCP the damage (average of 2 days of RL work). Smrtan has to confirm that we, as representats of eSlovak government, waive the claim for our part of the damage.

2. For the reasons not known to me, Skin decided not to present his findings about Australian NT commune current location, therefore that leaves me wondering about politics behind this decision. I just got a PM from Skin with a link to the commune and request to reveal this findings here in front of jury. Because I am not a prosecutor, just a member of jury, and all proofs are supposed to be provided by prosecutor, I refused to do that. The fact that current location of NW communes is still not revealed here suggests a question about the motive Skin has to not present this fact in front of the jury.

Final word:
Both sides of this lawsuit display issues with being completely honest to this jury or at least some members of the jury. I am asking both, prosecutor and defendant, to finally present all the facts without any camouflage, otherwise I will not be able to rule this case to my best knowledge and I will be forced to leave this jury or at least excuse myself from final voting at the end of this process to preserve my fairness.

Gabberattack,minister of foreign affairs gives his judgement

Well. 100,00% agree with gabberattack.

Smrtan,President of Slovakia backs Gabberattck

Alright, I'll do what gabberattack said and be honest.


I stole it.

Stole it all.

Every last penny.

And spent it all on cheap wine and hookers.

And you can whine. And shout. And bitch. But you're not getting the money back.

Btw, SK got me to do it. They'd get ludovit to give me the password, in return, I'd rob the communes. My reward was to keep the money. Thanks for the bling, Ludovit and SK.

Luv,
The rat in the hat who might be a prat

Manni admits to it

Yeah, well I have considered all the evidence very carefully and I have to say that there is very little. My verdict is, therefore, that Manni is entirely guilty.

Sandra Mack,Commisar of Communes SCP finds Manni guilty

Skin, I am not very impressed with your answer, because it does not match with my PM from you. In PM you asked me to confront Mannimarco here on trial (to publish it) with location of the commune, now you write you wanted to wait - this is complete opposite. Therefore, I do not think you explained your motivation at all and seems fishy to me.

Mannimarco / Paulie Walnuts - you did not reply to my question about security of your password and any use of public access computer, but because your account was hacked once I believe it can be hacked second time as well. I am sorry for your angry reaction against SK. I am trying to be as objective judge as possible but because my questions were not answered completely, I have to vote as follows:

robbery - not possible to vote, we are not eIreland
aggravated theft - guilty
corruption - guilty
bribing - not guilty
violating the eRepublik law 5.1 - not guilty

Explanation: There are signs that PW account could be hacked and the crime done by someone else. PW action can be perceived as negligence to elementary eRep security, but because PW did not cooperate fully with the jury to research this topic his action can be perceived as refusal to cooperate (possible cover of the thief), therefore PW is considered guilty from aggravated theft of NW Communes.
In the same time eSlovak republic abandons prosecutor's request for 250 gold against PW, while the request for 250 gold for SCP is upon decision of prosecutor Skin.

I ask smrtan to confirm this decision as another representative of eSlovak government.

counts: robbery, aggrivated theft, corruption, bribing and voilating the eRepublik law 5.1

Well, after all that was written, my opinion is Mannimarco/PW is mostly a troll. 15 yo kid, who read 2 books, he shouldn\'t never read (I\'m afraid if instead of Marx he got \"Mein Kampf\", now everything would be different...).

On the other hand proof on some accusations are very weak and in all matters where there is not enough hard proof, defendant should be considered as nor guilty. It\'s always better to release \"almost guilty\" one, instead of hanging somebody without 100% certainty of his crime.

robbery - not guilty
aggrivated theft - not guilty
corruption - guilty
bribing - guilty
violating the eRepublik law 5.1 - I\'m not in charge to judge things like this so I will keep my opinion private.

Regards,
smrtan

Troll radar activating... beep...beep...beep...ALERT! ALERT! Troll spotted!

Somebody already said here that PW/Mannimarco/probably some other accounts is some 15 yo (maybe even younger) kid who did this and now pats its own shoulder saying "you are great, you did something naughty to the bad commies, everybody told you they are bad and evil and you are good to mess with them" and so on...

Robbery - guilty
Aggravated theft - guilty
Corruption - guilty
Bribing - guilty, even trying to bribe somebody is against the law.
The eRep 5.1 law - I am not in charge to judge this...

PW account hacked and thus all of this done by somebody else? Maybe, but the account owner has to keep his account safe, to have a strong pass, to not give it to anybody and keep his/her computer as clean and virus/spyware free as possible, so I do not care if the actions done by PW´s account were done by PW or somebody else. It happened, enough said.

Then we can call the case off and Mannimarco isn´t allowed to return to Slovakia and he´s also in debt of paying the 125 gold to the SCP org.
Thank you

final judgement

[Ruaidhrí Garvey]

sorry its so long

[Nero Superbus]

nice

[Ruaidhrí Garvey]

I think Sandra Mack/Gertrude Groan would be a questionable comrade

Sister Sarah(http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1398525)

Sandra Mack(http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1391437)

Gertrude Groan(http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/1391543)

These three players are operated by the same person.

Black Star Co-Op(http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/donate/list/1564417/1).Is and organisation which has many donations to all three of them.

New Tyne Iron(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1426431)is a anotheer organisation it haas donations to Sandra Mack and a company called "Groan North which I believe is owned by Gertrude Groan

Asgard Shipping(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1469523) is another organisation owned by this person.It has donations to Sanra Mack,Sister Sarah and Gertrude Groan.As well as this it has donations to several organisations which I believe is owned by that player such as Red River,G & G enterprises,New Tyne Iron and to the SSP which is the Party Org that Sandra Mack controls

Groan North(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1478332) is a company I believe owned by Gertrude Groan.It has several donations to Gertrude Groan and Sister Sarah as well as several orgs owned by the person operating these three accounts

Red River(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1431070) is another organisation owned by the person operating these three accounts.It has many donations to Sister Sarah.It also has several donations to Asgard Shipping,Groan North, G & G Enterprises and Baltic Exchange.

G & G Enterprises(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1449557).This Organisation has many donations to Gertrude Groan and Sister Sarah as well as the organisation Red River,New Tyne Iron,Asgard Shipping and Black Star Co-Op.

Baltic Exchange(http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1527344).This organisation has donation to all three Multi's Sandra Maack,Gertrude Groan and Sister Sarah

THIS PROVES THAT GERTRUDE AND SANDRA ARE THE SAME PERSON

Sandra Mack is former Chairman of the Slovakian Socialist Party and currently has control of the SSP Communes and Gertrude Groan was Chairman of the Frosea Socialist Party in Malaysia.This is why I think she is questionable


1.Assisting the invasion of Germany-Gertrude Groan is the Minister of Defence in Czech Republic as you can see by this article(http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mod-army-reorganisation-training-updated--1112716/1/20).5 days after this article she wrote another article distributing weapons to Czechs who wanted to fight in the attempted invasion of Bavaria

2.Lack of Solidarity-This is not too bad but I thought it was a bit Selfish.

Dr. Gracchius and Myself approached Sandra(about a month ago)of the possibility of giving Svoboda some of the SSP's communes.Many SSP members such as myself,Bixente,Sosan,Cz-Zidane,Dr.Gracchius and others were ex-SSP members that left when the SSP fell apart to move to Czech Republic.We had put a lot of money into the SSP(Gracchius had put in over 50 gold and I had put in over 20).We couldn't afford to set up our first commune so we asked Sandra could we have one or two communes since they had many communes but no workers(http://www.erepublik.com/en/newspaper/international-times-192961/1).As Sandra states in this article only 2 of the SSP's 10 communes had any people working in them(with less than 10 workers between them).Despite the fact that Svoboda had around 20-30 people at the time and no communes while SSP had less than 10 members and 10 communes

Sandra said that she would create an article to see what people thought of the idea of Communes in Czech Republic.The few SSP members left in Slovakia left comments saying that

"You guys have abandoned Slovakia in the worst time for us when Hungarians attacked. It is easy to laugh from behind the fence. I will stay in Slovakia and help the communes to grow. Sandra is doing excellent job here and I believe our communes will prosper again, but without the cowards leaving when people are needed the most."

The Gertrude Groan(Sandra other account) had a go at us for leaving saying in the article "From the responses so far, and if it is true that Ruaidhri Garvey abandoned the communes in Slovakia, I get the impression that even Svoboda don't really want communes here."

I feel that she gave a biased account to the reamaining SSP members and it didn't help that she accused me of "Abandoning the communes in Slovakia".Sandra then told me that judging from the comments in the article the communes should stay in Slovakia

3.Has made life hard for Svoboda-

Not long after this Sandra's second account Gertrude moved to Czech Republic.At first I thought that this would be good andd that she was here to help Svoboda as you can see here when I say
(https://theinternationale.forum.st/other-erepublik-talk-f10/czech-project-t201.htm)

"Sandra Mack is in charge of Communes in Slovakia.I'm not 100% sure but 'm fairly sure that Sandra Mack and Gertrude Groan(a new person n Czech Republic) are the same person.I'll ask Sandra anyway would the remaining Slovaks like to come here"

but far from helping out Gertrude has been a real hassle.Sandra/Gertrude see's us as traitors for leaving Slovakia she really turned on us in this article when I mentioned that we were trying to get the communes of Sandra she said

"We're discussing with Sandra Mack to see could we get some Slovak Communes that they're not using"
You aren't discussing anything with us at the moment. Furthermore, any dialogue needs to be with the commune members as a whole, not with one person. I suggest that you get someone experienced, who understands how companies or communes run (which excludes Garvey) to open a proper dialogue with us. You should also remember that we suffered badly from thefts recently and that you may have a lot more resources than we do, thanks to Deniz's generosity. You should also answer the questions about why you think you will succeed in the eCR when you failed in eSlovakia, and why you personally abandoned the communes in eSlovakia. You are coming over as a windbag hypocrite at the moment."

She has attacked me and the party several times.In my recent Presidential Manifesto attacked again saying

"Garvey offers half-baked ideas; a lack of fundamental understanding of the mechanics of the game (and hence how they can be used to achieve an equitable society); and other peoples' opinions slightly reworded. I have no confidence in his ability to run this country or any other."

She then said the Nezavislost and CRU(the other two main parties should jon together so I don't get into office)

I have asked Sandra to get Gertrude to leave but Sandra insisted that she and Gertrude weren't the smae person.I am calling Sandra/Gertrude questionable becuase she seems to be going well out of her way to make life hard for Svoboda just because she dislikes many of us for "abandoning" the SSP Communes.

[Maksim Chuikov]

Excellent work on ousting yet another careerist, comrade! We must oust her from our movement!

- M. Chuikov

[Foreign Legion]

I would like heymans added to this list. Just in case.

My evidence: Talk to him more than 40 seconds.

[Fredrick Engels]

Nero Superbus. He created another internationale like organization called the "Global Socialist Union," and is actively recruiting against us, calling his program of state capitalism socialist, and all around sectarian and authoritarian type of dude.
Proof:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/global-socialist-union-nok--1191479/1/20
In the comments he writes:

I am Nero Superbus and represent GSU. Even though i was a founder-member of the Internationale, recently the Congress rejected my party because i didn't run on communes. I have taken the decision along with my party and the Communist Party of Hungary to establish a new organization, that would run more efficient, be more active and organized.

It is your action to do what you want. Even though i've worked hard for the Internationale, it does no longer represent my interests and the spread of socialism in eDenmark.

Plus the crap(And I do mean crap, it's not intellectual but bs propaganda) he has written against the communes and the Internationale:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/manifesto-of-nero-superbus-socialism-1178245/1/20

The communes do have a noble purpose, to overthrow the capitalist system, but they are not efficient, liked, advantageous, nor profitable for the workers. The communes do not offer the workers the freedom to purchase the products they like of whatever quality they like. The communes do not allow workers the neccessity of gathering gold, rather than that by medals. The communes represent something worse than even the unjust capitalist system: sacrificing the workers in order to produce the revolution. It's true, we need to make a revolution to overthrow the capitalist system but we cannot sacrifice the workers' lives not even a bit! We shouldn't act so stalinist and it is truly a pity that most parties use communes, where only party members work (because no one actually likes them). So let's recap and add more arguments against the communes:

1. They don't allow the freedom of workers because workers can't choose the products they want.
2. They sacrifice the wealth and good of the workers for a noble cause (it is a noble cause, but we shouldn't sacrifice wealth and goodness for a long-term goal, ruining the elives of citizens)
3. They aren't liked by most citizens, they are only liked by the party members who believe in them because it's the only theory available. This results in political failure of the socialist parties.
4. They require too much administrative work from the manager.

Good luck to all socialist movements that will pursue the development of cooperatives and good luck to all the workers who still want to work as slaves in communes "for the greater good", unless they like the communes because they can't be active to buy food, then it's fine to keep 1-2 communes.

On the Internationale forums:

Angered by the fact that its membership has been rejected to the Internationale, even though it has a far-left orientation,

Driven by the ambition and the necessity of establishing a more efficient international left organization, with enough power to fund and support all the socialist movements that need help,

Acknowledging the fact that there is a need of an international organization that can sponsor socialist parties with raw materials, money, directives and members,

Taking into account that Danish Socialist Party has a high chance of establishing a socialist state, an increasing number of members daily and 6 fully functional cooperatives,

Emphasizing that an international far-left organization must respect all far-left parties disregarding their economical structure and organization if they are far-left oriented,

Deeply concerned of the situation of socialist parties around the world which need a functional organization to support them in times of need,


The Danish Socialist Party in Denmark, New World:


1. Decides the establishment of a new international far-left and left organization, based on the economical planning which includes cooperatives, communes or any other type of company which reflects a good treatment of the workers and non-exploitation;

2. Urges all socialist parties that are part of the Internationale and feel neglected, helpless and angered to consider applying for membership in this new organization – the Global Socialist Union;

3. Condemns the Congress of the Internationale, which acts as its voice, as being radical towards the economical organization, uninterested in the development of socialism in eDenmark, and helpless towards the call for help from socialist parties that do not operate on communes.

Is this sufficient enough evidence for a trial or something?

[Maksim Chuikov]

I agree with you, comrade Fredrick Engels. Johnobrow and myself have been put on the GSU blacklist for criticising Nero and his organization in one of their IRC meetings. It's obviously clear that he's not going to respect us, I have no idea why we should respect him in this case.

Currently he's recruiting new players from the smaller communist parties. They've accepted certains parties into their organization without the parties even discussing it on their forums! Judging from his methods he's using, it's clear that he's simply trying to compete with this organization in order to gain more members, this is absurd.

- M. Chuikov

[MachtGeil]

I agree with putting him on the black list - however we should still try to get even with the GSU and try to get them in the Internationale
we also need to deal with our problems - for example inactivity in the forums and inactivity of some parties delegates

I also support the approach of Cooperatives to create a Socialist Economy - we should not solely focus on communes!

greetings
MachtGeil

[MrGinge]

Hi guys I just read through the discussion and wanted to add a little regarding Mannimarco.
I am a member of the Labour Party of Ireland. We are a far left party and are currently holding a vote regarding joining the internationale on our forums. Regarding this I have already spoken to MachtGeil.

Anyway, last PP elections the Labour Party was PTOd by an PTO group who later attempted to PTO Ireland.
This month however the central committe has restructured and is now a lot more organised and are boosting recruitment, yet we now face a new threat. Recently Mannimarco/manni_reborn (all the same person) has created a group called the ICF (Irish Citizen Front) there agenda seems to be aggressive revolution in eIreland. Which we in labour feel will inevitably lead to failure. Manni and his associates have brought down the opinion of Communism in the eyes of the eIrish public and their incessant trolling is annoying everyone.

After I myself especially, but also other Labour supporters attackeed him and his group in articles and comments etc, Manni, Padraig_Pearse, Dylanb, and a few other are now plotting a PTO of Labour. I feel that their actions bring into question their ability to further and contribute to the socialist movement in eIreland and also their loyalty to the Labour cause, which is the official socialist movement in Ireland.



Mr Ginge
Commissar for Public Relations and Internal Organisation of the Labour Movement

[Maksim Chuikov]

I also support the approach of Cooperatives to create a Socialist Economy - we should not solely focus on communes!

I'm quite sure all of us agree that cooperatives are acceptable. Nero isn't the first person trying to create a cooperative system, he's just pointing out that they're superior to the commune programs. I would even go as far as saying he's speaking against communes in his manifesto.

Nero's determined to continue working on the G.S.U. I don't see what we could do to the Internationale to make it more just. An alternative would be to abolish the Congress and have a direct-democratic approach instead, but I'm of the opinion that each party must discuss independently their opinion of a matter and have their delegation vote according to those wishes. A representive in the Internationale is merely a middle-man between the parties around the e-world and the party they represent. This means that when Nero says that the Congress is unjust then he's really saying that the majority of the people in the parties that voted against the DSP membership status are unjust (if that makes any sense).

The reason why we have a Congress in the first place is to avoid a dictatorship of the majority. This means that the PCP and PCE could form a coalition and dominate the Internationale, thus force their will on the members of the Internationale (it's just an example).

The Internationale has not adopted a resolution for or against the cooperative system, therefore making his argument of the Internationale being against cooperatives inaccurate. Therefore he has taken an action against this movement by competing against us with another organization. There's no point in having two (or more) organizations cooperating with each other, we need to cooperate in one organization.

- M. Chuikov

[Bob the terrorist]

I would be in favour of direct democracy reforms for the internationale. We could discuss on #internationale

[Manic Eskimo]

I would be in favour of direct democracy reforms for the internationale. We could discuss on #internationale

There are not enough people on the IRC channel although participation is growing. How would you count the votes? you would need the voting period over at least 24 hours its completely impractical.

I think maksim's reasons for having congress delegate explain it all. Perhaps there could be some votes on certain things but this isn't really the place to discuss it.

P.S. somthing really needs to be done about congress inactivity.

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